Tonight I had a wonderful conversation with an old friend of mine about the history of American war profiteering. It really didn't start out as that, but rather mutated into a debate on American History, hidden war agendas, mislead public sentiment, and the future in relation to the past. I was just sharing my views on 9/11. A lot of people share the view that 9/11 was a bit too orchestrated and a bit too tidy to have been conincidence. I happen to be one of those good folks. This is what followed-
Beast:
For those unwilling to do the research..ask yourself this..Not one, but TWO planes, spaced a fairly significant time apart, were hijacked, went radio dead, and then flew into the most populated airspace in the country ...and we're NOT shot down before hitting a popular symbol of American Prosperity and Power? Really? If you believe that I've got some great Oceanside property in Nebraska for sale..real cheap..
WW1- transporting illegal arms on passenger ships. After being warned to stop, US continued. The sinking of the RMS Lusitania heralds US entry to war.
Wow. There are no words...just wow.
Beast:
AMW:
First the world wars:
One, it's not logic it's fact.
..it's just history not opinion.
Any student of logic ( meaning I have taken real classes and studied academically and independently, which I have (critical reasoning, philosophy, ethics, advanced communication)) would know that logic teaches that the easiest solution is most often the correct one. (Occams Razor) Any student of history ( too many classes and independent study to list) would know that countries profit from war, generally to the cost of the general public.
group of industrious opportunist, pirates , and general warmongers and hell raisers as always.
Why now, in a world where communication and travel have become faster, easier, and cheaper would this magically cease? That's silly.
AMW:
The plane that hit the pentagon is suspicious, but only because it appears that the plane was shot down before it hit. All of the reasons you listed still don't explain the type of conspiracy you're alleging. Thousands of people would have to all be complicit and say nothing to no one. Not plausible. A reach. Complete foolishness.
As to your war comment: I can go with you as far as saying that war is an industry. Ok fine....people will always try to profit from a situation. The fact remains that war exists because people exist though. And it is most definitely not something to just go into because of money. Id like to think that an American president would take that seriously. According to you though, America is a terrible place to live...our government rapes us on a daily basis and we're stifled as a people. And yet...here we. Im texting you on my phone on a social network from my condo. So terrible.
That last comment was sarcastic...but my point remains. I didn't say America is perfect. It is evolving though and continues to evolve. You can choose to keep bringing up the past or you can learn from it and move forward.
I got taught that same patriotic bs in grade school too. Checks and balances and yada.
For food companies to produce for troops. For textiles to make uniforms, flags, rope, parachutes. For metal working and auto to retool factories and get them working. Not just for American soldiers, but worldwide. Here was a chance to get America moving in the right direction again. Of course the people didn't want to fight, but the country NEEDED to fight. Let's not even get into the rise of American Communism led by artist,writers,musicians, (read "poor people aka masses influencers) that was challenging democracy. So much so that many activist groups for minorities , women's, and laborers were communist. The country, socially, was splitting. Sound familiar?
No man wants to go to war. Wars are not declared by the people, but by the people who rule them. However, rulers do not fight. At least not anymore. They send the people whom they rule. FACT
I don't wear rose colored glasses when it comes to history. All nations have histories of corruption . All nations have times of great humanity and caring as well. We were taught the sugar, but we refuse the salt.
A wise man once said that "those who do not know the history are destined to repeat it. " (Edmund Burke)
SO WHY ARE THOSE OF US WHOM CHOOSE TO REMEMBER CONSTANTLY URGED TO SILENCE?
Another wise man said that "doing something the same way over and over and expecting different results is insanity" ( Albert Einstein)
From time beggining, as there have been kings and rulers, there have been liars and corrupters and innocents that trust them. Why is it different now?
Who in this conversation is letting her off the hook? And just for the record, every nation has histories of injustice. Where will you go where your conscience will feel at ease? And Communism? Really Beast?